congressman ryan and vice president biden, just like president obama and governor romney, have really, there's really stark differences in this campaign about what's going to go forward. if you just watch the republican convention and the democratic conventi convention, there's very different views of the future of the country so how that gets discussed will depend a lot on all three players on the stage, but i think the main thing is there are stark differences going forward and congressman ryan i think is obviously a very smart person, 14 years as a member of congress, i think probably the leading spokesperson for the republican party on budget and economic issues, he spent a lot of time in congress and one thing he learned in congress is how to debate. you debate in the committees, you debate on the floor, so he's going to be a formidable challenge and i think he and vice president biden have enough differences and reflect the differences of the campaign that it will be a very i think substantive debate, i think it will be a very fun debate though. >> ted, i was surprised at the fi